|Soviet Motor Riflemen|
|Australian Mechanised Infantry painted in a kind of generic way that would also serve for Vietnam at a pinch (I have kept some unpainted to put into proper Australian camouflage when I find out what colours are needed for that)|
|And again, next to some 6mm buildings for Vietnam from Timecast|
|And the last section of Motor Riflemen, plus the aforementioned unpainted Australians to the right and a GHQ WW2 German limber team to the left that I have absolutely no clue how to assemble...|
Twilight 2000 is available at Drive Thru RPG (both editions, with all the adventure and supplement packs).
I had a look through both versions of Twilight 2000 to work out what kind of forces one might need, assuming that one did not change the initial premise that the characters were part of an American division (although were not necessarily American themselves) that has just been overrun in Poland. I think the force levels one would need are something like the following:
100 Soviet troops (c.70-75 AKs, 5-10 Dragunovs, 10 RPKs, 5 PKs, 2-3 AGS-17, 2-3 RPGs, 2-3ATs); the number of RPGs seems a bit low to me, perhaps 10 RPGs would be betterm with c.5 ATs)
Ideally there would also be some Polish troops and some rougher-looking marauders and stragglers too.
6 vehicles (everything from civilian cars, Humvees, UAZ-469s, 4x4 pickups to 2.5-10t trucks); some horse-drawn wagons and carts
1-2 tanks (T-55, T-62, T-72, T-64)
1-2 BMPs (any versions)
1-2 APCs (BTR-70 or BTR-80s)
1-2 Light AFVs (BRDMs, OT-64s etc.)
1 anti-tank gun
1 SP gun (2S3 or similar)
1 SP AA gun
In addition, there should be a smattering of Western stuff for the PCs and any other Western troops they happen to encounter. Of course, there is nothing in the material to stop the entire party being from Soviet nations, equally desperate to get home.
Zvezda do a small range of the key Cold War vehicles, including T-72s, M1 Abrams, M2 Bradleys, BTR-80s etc. Prices typically £7 per vehicle.
Plastic Soldier Company:
PSC does a company of 141 Soviet figures for £22.50 (£0.16/fig) a single T-55 for £5.75, and a single M-60 tank for £5.50.
Irregular miniatures does a range of 1990s US Infantry and some some 1980s Soviet Infantry and Afghan Mujihadeen. It also does some useful rioters armed with clubs and so on. These are sold individually (£0.44/fig).
CP Models has a small but useful range of 15mm modern stuff, including some mercenaries and 'generic' troops which come in packs of 5-6 figures (£0.50-0.60/fig).
Quick Reaction Force:
QRF has a very large range of suitable figures and vehicles. Vehicles are in the £3.50 (very small) to £6.50 bracket (although it does have some really big B echelon vehicles which are understandably more pricy), figures come in packs of 8. (£0.34/fig).
Peter Pig has lots of relevant stuff in its AK-47 and Vietnam ranges, mainly figures but has some key vehicles as well. Vehicles are £4 (UAZ-469, Toyota) to £8 (Centurions, big trucks). The figures have some useful stuff that I don't think there is anywhere else (Female militia etc.) and come in packs of 8 (£0.44/fig).
Has a huge selection of stuff in its Team Yankee range. Vehicles seem to work out at about £5-6 per model, £10 per helicopter, but they are typically sold in boxes of 3-5, so aren't quite as useful for the small battle gamer. However, the most popular stuff is sold as individual sprues too, which are typically £5.20/vehicle.* The infantry are sold in platoon packs, varying from c.25-c.50 figures each. I think that the metal figures work out as between £0.34/fig and £0.44/fig, whereas the plastic figures are c.£0.25/figure (I could be very slightly wrong because it isn't always 100% clear to me exactly how many figures are in each pack).
(*Leopard 2, Marder, BO-105, T-72, BMP, Mi-24, T-64, M1 Abrams, VADS/ITV, M113, Cobra, Huey, M60A1, HMMWV, LAV, Chieftain, FV432, Scorpion / Scimitar, Spartan / Striker, Lynx)
Old Glory has a range of modern infantry and vehicles which looks mainly geared towards the fighting in the Middle and Near East over the last two decades, but would definitely be useful for Cold War/Twilight 2000 type stuff: in particular the pack of Armed Civilians in western civilian clothing looks ideal. Figures are sold in packs of 50 (£0.32/fig) and vehicles are typically £6-8, sold in packs of two or three.
Mick Yarrow Miniatures:
I don't think I have ever seen these in the flesh or online; apparently they were at Vapnartak this year but I can't actually remember seeing the stall. Anyway, they do a small range of modern stuff with US infantry and various European and Arab irregulars and rioters. Sold in packs of 8 (£0.28/fig).
MJ Figures have a Falklands range and a small Modern range, figures £0.30ea. (some sold individually, some in packs of 10), with a couple of vehicles too £3-6.
The Scene has some slightly unusual ranges that would be of use, especially for militia, marauders and special forces types. Some figures are sold in packs of 10, some in 6, some individually. Prices seem to vary from £0.39/fig - £0.50/fig.
Magister Militum stocks their ranges of 15mm Polish and modern Russian stuff, sold in packs of 6 (£0.67/fig).
I know that Khurusan Miniatures, Rebel Minis and Flashpoint Miniatures all do useful ranges but as far as I am aware, none have a UK distributor currently. I don't include shipping costs for the other ranges since most can be obtained at shows or at FLGS shops, so there isn't an easy way of doing it, but if there are any fans of these ranges in the UK who can give an idea of how much their stuff actually costs per figure and vehicle, I will happily add this on.
I am not going to make any comments about the aesthetic quality of any of the ranges since that is such a personal matter. For price, the Plastic Soldier Company takes some beating for its Soviet infantry. I think the only way not buying them makes sense is if a - you really don't like the figures or b - you want to keep the model count very low and just have a core of say two-dozen Soviet infantry and then everything else is an optional extra. The alternative here might be to buy the Battlefront Motor Rifle platoon and then add stuff, but depending on what you add, it might end up more expensive anyway. The Old Glory, Mick Yarrow and The Scene ranges look quite good for adding the marauders and stragglers that play such a big part in the Twilight 2000 world, although the Peter Pig ranges could work in many cases too. It might be worth getting some codes from QRF and Oddzial Osmy for the specifically Polish troops. To save a bit, Soviets could be used to bulk out Polish units as long as they were in the minority.
The models needed for the PCs (assuming the PCs are from NATO countries) and Western forces generally will depend a lot on how big you want to make them. If the assumption is that the PCs are a very small group and are only going to meet other small groups of NATO troops (or marauder groups based on NATO forces) then there is an obvious advantage in buying smaller packs or individual figures. This will also depend on whether you want to just say that all "NATO" troops are in US, or German, or Canadian or whatever uniforms, or you want to make the distinction between them.
So you really going to use T2000 rules for mass combat? I am considering it over stuff like THW NUTS!/FNG for "large skirmish".ReplyDelete
Not for mass combat no, just the PCs bit. If I need to do bigger battles, I will use something else.Delete
I recently ran a couple of T2K RPG games and I really liked the "feel" of the combat system...actaul weapon types matter, that's a big deal to me..ReplyDelete
It is nice to have that bit of flavour, although I do have my concerns about it too - there tends to be one option in a given class that everyone ends up choosing since they are obviously better.Delete
I started this project in 15mm years ago and still haven't gotten to a playable point yet, but I think your list is pretty complete. Eureka also does 15mm Russians and Chechens that fit pretty well with Peter Pig and I also planned to add bolt action rifle armed civilians from the PP Spanish Civil War Range. Headswaps are a must using PP's separate heads. Oh, and the new PP WWII Soviet Scouts with PPSH SMG for some mobilization only type Soviets.ReplyDelete
There are some good ideas there Russ. There is a part of me that thinks that setting it a bit earlier (early 70s) might be quite fun and a little different, so that might make the WW2 stuff even more relevantDelete
I forgot to mention the PP Vietnam range, too. There are definitely some usable figures there, especially with head swaps of the VC and NVA figures. One thing I wrote out fluff for was East German troops being taken into the Soviet armed forces (1st ed. timeline IIRC) and being promised to be resettled in what was East Prussia for their service. PP makes separate heads with East German helmets.Delete
Yes, I agree. The Vietnam range and the head swaps both look useful. I am quite tempted to actually get some of the Battlefront East German motor riflemen though.Delete
I hope my blog can be of assistance.ReplyDelete
I have just had a little look around, but it is an amazing site.Delete
Wow, cool stuff, I had no idea you were looking at anything modern(-ish). I really like your Aussies, and as you mentioned, they can double for Vietnam-era fights as well.ReplyDelete
I have a box of the PSC WarPac, they're very nice sculpts, and you can't beat the price.
Thanks very much Jack. I have a couple of other things queued up, then I will get these to the table.Delete