tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post1260609450047728060..comments2024-03-28T22:04:34.102+00:00Comments on Heretical Gaming: The Hill of St.Giacomo - A WRG 1925-1975 AARUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-37964422435666346382018-07-02T13:37:49.972+01:002018-07-02T13:37:49.972+01:00I am surprised too that other than the initial for...I am surprised too that other than the initial foray in 1979 I have never seen much, if anything, on these rules. They do seem to produce a decent game. It may be that they was not the same sort of low level skirmish gaming - I know we always had 20+ figures on the table and played other rules that were more aimed at having lots of sections or platoons on the table, even if at a very unrealistic 1:1000 scale for 20mm figures. The three poses may not have been too much of a drag if the rules were worthy but I agree it would have definitely been a deterring factor.Shaun Travershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05691522858410783769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-38984720581450935582018-07-01T16:46:26.339+01:002018-07-01T16:46:26.339+01:00Thanks for that Shaun. In retrospect, I am a bit ...Thanks for that Shaun. In retrospect, I am a bit surprised that these rules didn't make more of an impact, they do seem pretty good. I wonder if the slightly clumsy "3 poses for each man" put people off? Anyway, I am looking forward to getting a few more games in at some point.JWHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637785437909299947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-35197617518253507852018-06-29T23:34:23.052+01:002018-06-29T23:34:23.052+01:00Hello John,
These were the first rules I ever pla...Hello John,<br /><br />These were the first rules I ever played! 1979 and I was 14. At school I was invited over to a friend's house and three of us played with these rules he had. It was a table tennis table, 54mm unpainted Airfix figures and I remember nothing about it except a halftrack turned up that dominated the field. So thank you for reminding me about these rules. I never did play them again as I shortly after joined a gaming club and played Tractics for the next 10 years. They do seem like they are a good set of rules (as does their company level rules that you play more often).Shaun Travershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05691522858410783769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-69665412146672505402018-06-24T13:30:47.951+01:002018-06-24T13:30:47.951+01:00Oh, I don't think I have ever seen the Newbury...Oh, I don't think I have ever seen the Newbury infantry action rules - I will have a look out for a copy at the shows. Or perhaps the History of Wargaming project will reproduce them for posterity at some point.<br /><br />I will try and keep a steady stream of AARs using older rules coming: I have a reasonable number of ideas for this over the next year or so. I will try and get a few longer reviews written too, although I always feel I need to have 3 or 4 plays of a ruleset before I can do them justice.JWHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637785437909299947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-23784862806058094402018-06-24T12:31:32.599+01:002018-06-24T12:31:32.599+01:00Makes sense.
I think I may give this a go��
We als...Makes sense.<br />I think I may give this a go��<br />We also used to play the Newbury Infantry Action Rules in 20mm back in the eighties. Haven’t seen them in years. They gave a good game but nowadays would be considered too slow I guess.<br />I now play Crossfire.<br />Please keep the older rules reviews coming. I really enjoy them, <br />Thanks again<br />DaveDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810917899000829312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-52898538373847381062018-06-24T10:47:45.608+01:002018-06-24T10:47:45.608+01:00Many thanks David.
To be honest, I never really t...Many thanks David.<br /><br />To be honest, I never really thought of it as needing a work around. Since I am playing solo, then I know exactly what each side was trying to do and whether there was a valid LOS at any point in the movement phase to enable shooting in the firing phase. I have always thought that simultaneous movement systems were more difficult for face-to-face games. Apologies if I haven't grasped what you were getting at though.JWHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637785437909299947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-53377419157146211552018-06-24T09:17:35.576+01:002018-06-24T09:17:35.576+01:00Really enjoyed this. Thank you!
Took me back to my...Really enjoyed this. Thank you!<br />Took me back to my first games in the late 70s.<br />How did you work around the simultaneous fire and movement playing solo?<br />Kind regards <br />DaveDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810917899000829312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-52346029858908271752018-06-24T08:49:24.165+01:002018-06-24T08:49:24.165+01:00Agreed. To me it makes sense to discuss them both...Agreed. To me it makes sense to discuss them both together anyway, since it is how the rules shape the narrative (and partly the other way around, too) that help to make the game what it is.JWHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637785437909299947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-63287289086369187632018-06-22T01:50:09.837+01:002018-06-22T01:50:09.837+01:00John,
I'm certainly hoping we can get more fo...John,<br /><br />I'm certainly hoping we can get more folks involved, and I agree, there are plenty of gamers that aren't interested in reading batreps, but I know at least some are. I wouldn't be here gaming if it weren't for inspiration I found in Jeff with 6mm Republic of Prussia (my Cuba Libre concept is a direct knock-off), Ronan and his Spanish Civil War fights with Force on Force, Shaun and his 2' x 2' gaming in small spaces, and Joe Legan and his Platoon Forward blog.<br /><br />It is funny to me that I've had several guys ask me to write more about rules mechanisms in my write-ups, when I was trying to get that stuff out and focus more on the narrative!<br /><br />Either way, there's plenty of room to talk about concepts and mechanisms.<br /><br />V/R,<br />Jack<br />Just Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03552962741823929433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-36696627712379511292018-06-21T11:59:14.345+01:002018-06-21T11:59:14.345+01:00Thanks Nick. I'm sure you are right, mechanis...Thanks Nick. I'm sure you are right, mechanisms that focus on orders aren't very common now; modern rules focus more on the activation of units as a source for generating friction. On the other hand, I'm not sure that many hobby wargames rules ever have have focused on the actual quality of the writing of orders: I think it is the very fact of writing orders 'at all' that put people off. Plus, I vaguely remember from 80s gaming at a club (as a child), that there was a lot of vexatious argument about what would happen in certain situations...which caused the whole thing to fall out of favour. But including it can make for very interesting games.JWHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637785437909299947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-81472745373225291742018-06-21T11:51:38.477+01:002018-06-21T11:51:38.477+01:00Thanks Jack - and lets hope that TWW hits that cri...Thanks Jack - and lets hope that TWW hits that critical mass of people posting to get some really interesting discussions going. I know quite a lot of people don't enjoy reading batreps though. On both TMP and TWW I think the level of interest in modern tactical combat and the rules mechanisms to reflect them is reasonably high but less so in seeing how the rules in the actual games work out. That's just my impression, I could be wrong.JWHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637785437909299947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-33157868170661985182018-06-21T08:02:00.912+01:002018-06-21T08:02:00.912+01:00Hi, interesting AAR and commentary on the rules, e...Hi, interesting AAR and commentary on the rules, especially on how written orders provide for a lot of friction. This isn't very popular these days - I wonder if, back then, most players would have thought it obvious through experience and training how to write orders, whereas today most players would probably not have that experience. Perhaps the way forward would be to have (in a hypothetical new set of rules) a simple system for giving units orders?Nick Riggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04949727669816521786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-49901166838135823102018-06-20T21:42:47.638+01:002018-06-20T21:42:47.638+01:00Left you an even longer one!
Like you, I don’t re...Left you an even longer one!<br /><br />Like you, I don’t really mind much either way. I suppose if I had to pick I’d say a forum, just because there’s more of a chance if other folks hopping in, and I’m a ‘more the merrier’ kinda guy.<br /><br />TMP was actually pretty good for that, but then I went and got myself kicked out, so TWW will have to do ;). In all seriousness, there used to be quite a group of us that discussed WWII-modern batreps on TMP and then TWW (Ivan/Nordic Weasel, Shaun Travers, War Panda, Rod Robertson, Kyoteblue, Victoria Dickson, a couple others popped in and out, but those guys were hardcore regulars, and you joined in there along the way), but sadly most of them have dropped out, so there’s not nearly as much traffic.<br /><br />So I hit you up there on TWW to try and gin up some participation for your excellent batrep, and posted quite a bit in hopes of luring more folks into the discussion.<br /><br />V/R,<br />JackJust Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03552962741823929433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-43746141708914544882018-06-20T15:02:44.554+01:002018-06-20T15:02:44.554+01:00Thanks very much Jack. I have replied on TWW. I ...Thanks very much Jack. I have replied on TWW. I don't mind where comments go, it doesn't normally matter much. If someone wants to have a long back-and-forth with me, I suppose it is better coming on the blog. If someone wants a wider discussion on the rules or the scenario, then it is probably better on the forums. But I don't think it makes much difference.<br /><br />Which do you prefer BTW - comments on the forum or on the blog?JWHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637785437909299947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6558350314928035506.post-64053516782444404022018-06-20T13:31:26.535+01:002018-06-20T13:31:26.535+01:00Left a long comment over on TWW, should have proba...Left a long comment over on TWW, should have probably done it here. Let me know which you prefer. Great game, by the way!<br /><br />V/R,<br />Jack<br />Just Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03552962741823929433noreply@blogger.com